Well i thought id start this topic becuase of allsorts new idea of agruing on msn.

I dont think forign people should be let into England because,

1. They come into our contry and take our money. Yes they do, this money that they get for benifits could be spent on the health service and basicly improving the living of people in England.
2. Our jobs. When they come they want jobs but these jobs could be filled by the 3 MILLION unimployed English people! Ok when you say, 'immagrents work as docters and that' but us english could do it. Ok we dont have the training but the money we would save from giving them benifits could pay for this.
3. Rules. When poeple wear the vail no one objects to it because its there religion. If we go to there country and the women wear bikinis they would get stoned! We allow them to do what they want but when we want to do some thing we get over ruled.
4. The free country. England is on its arse, people are coming in from every direction. People used to be scared of the English when we had our empire but now no one is. There so not frightend they come here live for a couple of years with out any trouble and for free and then one day they go to the DIY store buy some nails then go to the petrol station and buy some petrol and go and try kill us all!

Some people might call me a racist but i want my country to be the best. Im not targeting people because they are black, i have the same problems with the Polish that come here and take our jobs and they are white.

Now let me hear your views on this topic?

dat is the problem i nliving i na free country. our views are different from theirs, and we always are the enemy, w/e we do. but saying they should not be allowed in our country makes us no better than them..


**btw i live in da US*

I dont hate them just id be happyer with out them. They live in their country and il live in mine. Make your own rules up dont change ours.

isnt dat a little too nationalistic? its true those radical groups should leave if they have so much pride in their native country, but how about those who left their country for freedom?

i agree with everthin u sed there m8!!! we need more ppl like us in our country!!! ppl will call us racists, were not, were patriots, we love our country an we dont want ppl comin in from different countrys an takin our money. am not sure if any1 remembers ages ago ther was this guy


this guy was preeching to other ppl an encouraging them to blow themselves up an kill british ppl, yet he had a £250,000 house in london at the tax payers cost and was earning sumfin like £35,000 a year in benefits coz he had like 12 kids an agen at the tax payers cost!!!

Wow. Can I ask whereabouts in England you live? Cos I live in London and London is full of different people from different backgrounds and I love it.
Anyway, on to your points. Benefit's are given to those who need them and I have no doubt that a lot of immigrants commit benefit fraud but I know a lot of white "English" people who know all the little tricks to getting money without doing anything to get it. I'd be willing to bet that there are more white English committing benefit fraud than there are immigrants.
Stealing the jobs. The immigrant workforce is needed in this country if only to do the jobs that English people are too lazy to do themselves. The other day on the way to work there was an interview on the radio. In it there was a man complaining about a company hiring Immigrants to work for them and he was saying that they should be hiring English people. Now the mans reply was that English people didn't want to do the job and he had tried. He had one English worker on the show with him as well and that worker said that he didn't know anyone who wanted to do that job because they were too lazy and the job was too hard.
As for your comment about becoming Doctors, I think you underestimate how difficult that really is. I don't mean to insult you ( really, I don't ), but from the way that you have written your post and the various spellings you have used I would say that you aren't an academic person. Could you become a Doctor given the funding? It's a demanding job that not everybody has the intelligence for. I for one would much rather go to a foreign Doctor who knew what he was doing than an English Doctor who wasn't as good just because I only went to English Doctors.
Rules are different everywhere you go. You can't say that you want immigrants out because there are different rules in their country. I'm sure that there are rules in my house that are different to the rules of your house, that's just the way things are. And "we allow them to do what they want" but it's within the confines of OUR laws and rules. So that means that there may be things that they want to do but can't because our rules prohibit them.
I'm not gonna call you a racist but that last comment was just plain ignorant and sounds a lot like the racist rhetoric spewed by the BNP. It's hateful ignorance.

My views on Immigration are that if a person really needs to come to a place where they can have a better standard of living then who am I to stop them? I would only ask that they do pull their own weight and work and pay taxes as any other person who lives in England does and not just live off benefits as you seem sure that all immigrants do.

Let me ask you a question. What makes YOU English? How can you say that? You'd be hard pressed to find a true "Englishman". Just because your family have been here for a hundred years it doesn't mean a thing. Trace your ancestry back and if you're family wasn't immigrants to England at some point in the past I'd be very surprised.

u say that as if it was a bad thing

happens with america too, im pissed off because they put UNARMED gaurds at teh border, and they expect a fence to stop a bunch of mexicans crossing the boarder, now if i were president i would do things much different...

Immigrants don't bother me much. Only the ones that come to your country to break the law, and make no effort to get an occupation.
Also the illegal ones that act as if they have equal right as the legal immigrants.

As an immigrant in London, England myself, I am involved in this kind of remarks by all you people and I understand you. I don't know what other people are doing that are just plain annoying to you but I'm happy that life here is better than where we came from. We escaped from the poverty-stricken third world we once were and now we're looking forward to a new life here.

(I'm not those "jubba-jubba" arabian types. I'm asian lol)

Why do immigrants offend people so much. I dont really care bout them. And people who think that they take other peoples jobs are just wrong. A lot of english people are lazy and then they sit there saying they took our jobs. Get off your fat arse and get a job then. Just excuses for jealousy. Im sorry but my dad was an immigrant and he paid tax. I was born here. Im gonna go uni and get a good job and pay taxes. Who will i be helping ??? The english economy. So fuck you racist cunts. Dont get me wrong i love England and most of its people. I also dont like people who can but wont work. Also what i find funny is that your english yet you cant spell

Wow. Harsh words, kiddo.

i told u sum1 wud call us racists

Yet again you guys miss the facts, you miss the points and you’re so wrong; I can handle your opinions being different but when the facts are wrong it’s just pathetic.
First of all learn how to spell immigration.
Learn why it benefits both countries
Learn why it helps you
AND STOP BEING SO FUCKING RACIST YOU BUNCH OF IDIOTS.
OH AND KURT YOU IDIOT
''2. Our jobs. When they come they want jobs but these jobs could be filled by the 3 MILLION unimployed English people! Ok when you say, 'immagrents work as docters and that' but us english could do it. Ok we dont have the training but the money we would save from giving them benifits could pay for this.'' THE FACT IS NOT ENOUGH BRITS WANT TO BE A DENTIST FOR THE NHS, OR BE A TAXI DRIVER SO SHUT UP
EVERYTHING IVE SEEN HERE (FROM KURT) IS SOO WRONG YOUR RACIST AND SO IS EVERYONE ELSE GET OVER YOURSELVES FOR GOD SAKE!

Heres what i said in the 1000 posts topic:

Note that the US is a totally different situation. While migrant workers are a good thing our immigration problem is out of control. I am not going to spout numbers (too lazy today to look them up) but the number of REAL illegals in the US is alarming. If your interested just look into both those serving time and those that are wanted for serious, multiple felony's. I totally understand why they are coming, Mexico is a God awful place and while nowhere near perfect the US is like a paradise. Most Mexicans are known for good core values and excellent work ethic but along with the good there is an incredible criminal element.

Nothing wrong with not being an academic. I was just saying that in reply to his "WE could be Doctors if we spent money on that instead of Immigration"




RACIST

Oh and to those that hate immigrants and want the non-English out of "your" country, My father immigrated here and the same for my Mothers Father (My grandfather ). I class myself as a British Pakistani, I was born and brought up here. Now I just spent the last 3 years at Uni and am going to join the police force. I'm already in the process and should get in.

I'm curious to know what you think about that?

great another pig on the streets, thats wat i think of that

Now I'm a racist. I barely even meet a foreigner in my life lol

I didnt call any1 in this forum racist. If you do count yourselves as racist then "Fuck You Racist Cunts". If your not then its fine

Well sorry if you see me as racist....I thought that goes for anyone...immigrant or not..if your breaking the law and sitting around doing nothing....you wouldn't like them much.

Northeast, Middlesbrough.

Yes there will be, only because they do not get enough to give to the family, NOT that they need some new drug dealer rims on there BMW X5!


That's why if the money wernt spent on imigration benifits then it could be put into deprived areas there for more people would be able to learn more and ulitmately do the docter jobs.

No im not very good at literature. I am only 15 but my views shouldnt be dismised because of my age. I am very good at science (iv just got a A* in my GCSE's) and im equaly good at maths, IT, woodwork, buisiness studys etc.

Yes but back to my previous point of imagration money put into education and then they would be more skilled.

The law is relaxed on what we can ware in this country which is how it should be, you shouldnt be told what to wear like in other countrys.


If they stayed in there country they could make there own standered of living better. Running off to another 'free' country is not the way to go about it.


OK maybe im wasnt English to start with but im here now. My family probably came here when this country needed people but now we have a large enough population to support our selfs.









NOTE: Please do not let the arguments leave this topic. These are my views and i want to here yours. I will not treat anyone different if you are a immagrent in this forum.

idk how it is in UK but here you would be a legal immigrant, a good thing. You are taking pride in your new homeland and striving to make yourself a better person. A person such as yourself is not a problem for anyone. In the US it is those sneaking accross the border and worst of all the cocksuckers who give them very little pay and take advantage of the situation to deprive citizens of work, that is our problem. You, your aces in my book bro

and that's what i think about that! lol

its not like these illegal immigrants are stealing others' jobs, theyre just taking jobs noone else wants . the people dat say immigrants are stealing their jobs are the ones that are too lazy to strive for a better life. has any1 considered that mayb these illegal aliens are crossing the border because they hate their country? is it not a good thing dat every1 wants to go to da US? it is not their fault, but their government's fault for not working in the people's favor..

i dnt mind some foreign people like the ones who learn to speak our language properly and mix with us and make an effort to become our friends, if they do that i welcome them with open arms BUT wat i do not agreee with is millions of them coming in witout 1 quualification not knowing absolutely anything aout us or our country and blowin themselves up or causing trouble amongst decent BRITISH people the ones who rob people, the ones who abuse and threaten us, the ones who hav no RESPECT for us or OUR country, some pople may label me and others who feel the same way as RACISTS!! we are NOT racists we are just proud of our country and cannot stand and watch these useless people destroy what so many HONEST LOYAL soldiers fought and died for!!

these are the same issues in America but when you think about it, immigrants are not bad, they help out the economy in ways that regular workers can't/ There are certain jobs that an American wouldn't take, but thanks to immigrants the jobs are filled

Fuck you all, a lot of my family are immigrants to this country.

I'll live wherever the hell I want. LMAO

Thats a very constructive point there- well done for actually participating in a disucssion. Everyone has their own opinions. Granted some may seen stupid to you but nevertheless you should respect what they think.
Like you have been warned...please respect other people.
You bastard

the whole immigration debate is kinda redundant in the Uk,

as the UK are part of the EU, one of the codes are any member of a EU country is free to move to another EU country, this makes up for about a 3rd of all imigration,

Due to the treaty the UK government signed regarding people living in fear and "real" danger they can claim asylum in any country that signed this treaty and CANNOT be deported back to their country of origin. which again makes up about a 3rd of all immigration

the only one that can be stopped is the illegal immigration into the UK, but then again how can you stop them, they'll always find a way to get into the country.

And another thing to people saying immigration shouldnt be allowed, if it wasn't for "immigration" you wouldn't be here today ie. romans and the vikings

any thoughts?

I totally agree with the topic starter , im not a racist but i think people need to stay in there own countries unless there is war or something.But when the war is over get back to ur own country.I find it funny they always complain about the country they immigrated to, while they live a better life there.

Well I'm Irish (N. Ireland) and would love to live in America some day, but I'm trying to make sure I'm useful first. I think that's the compromise.

^J

fuck all that Doody, go ahead and move here. do what u want to do, fuck what ppl think.

Ah, blind nationalism.

Here in the U.S. there's a term I like to use for ignorant flag-wavers; "Archie Bunker Slobs".

... the world has de-volved into such a hateful, mean-spirited place ... I can't wait until 2010

Come on.. Not only england is experiencing suc situations.. Most developed countires will.. I live in SG n my country is.. At the rate it s going, immigrants will soon make up 20% of the populations.. I can see ppl from china n SEA countires everywhere i go.. There is simply too many le... It disturbing for sure, but do thing the other way.. Forget abt the doctors n lawyers, we need immigrants for other jobs too rite?

WE are complaining they are competing with us for jobs, without them who will be doint the " dirty jobs" .. I believe its harder to find a Sinaporean to work in a rubbish dump den to find a lawyer on the street.. We ahte them yet we cannot do without them..