Ok, first off I want to say that I am proudly Pro-Choice and I do check out whats going on on the NARAL American Pro-Choice website, ask me for the link if you want it. So I really DESPISE the Pro-Life views, how can you say that allowing women to choose what they want is killing liberty
If you ALLOW someone to FREELY CHOOSE then that's GIVING them liberty, not depriving them of it. And what you see and hear on the internet about how an abortion is done is totally fake and incorrect. In fact 90% of what they say is accurate is actually VERY inaccurate.
Now just because I am Pro-Choice does not mean I want all women to abort (another common misconception that is fed to you all by Pro-Life advocates), NOR does it mean that I do not have a heart or do not want children, I feel that women should have the right and choice to abort if they want, and I also want children when I marry. So that is a common misconception. And I'm not a stuck up, suit wearing, conservative CEO; in all actuality I'm a long haired dude who plays guitar and hates wearing suits. So not every Pro-Choice person is a snooty, rich person. So ya, I'd love to see a pro-life person tell me why Pro-Choice kills liberty.
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am not sure wat that pro life shit u wer goin on about actually means but i think women shud b given the choice of wether they want to have an abortion or not, that is until the fetus (baby) has develped to a certain stage wen it actually has all human organs an kicks and that. coz if u have an abortion after that its just murder i think

I am pro-life and always will be. I will never agree with pro-choice and its views on liberty and freedom for women. To me a fetus is living, its not an inanimate object. Aborting means killing it, not matter what anyone says.

I think it is ok when there are special circumstances. As for instance, when a womans is raped, I feel if she feels she needs to get rid of it she should have that choice. But if you are goin in every other week because you are a white trash slut you should be shot or have that snatch sewed shut!!

Thank god this topic aint about absorbtion costing, lol thats what i thought it said at first. Anyways i think its wrong to get rid of something that will turn into a person. Just give the guy a fucking condom and take pills.

Lmfao completely agree with you there...sewed shut? LMFAO! Noot a good prospect!! Anyway, abortion is kinda murder before they are born...and it isn't a right to kill someone.

I know it can cause tension, but since I think its murder I dont think you should abort even in rape. Yeah rape sucks, but you can always give the child up for adoption if need be. For me, life over death any day.

But man, imagine the pain the woman has to go through...

And imagine the life you are killing. Youre not even giving it a chance to live out its life. I think thats worse.

Well the life we would kill would be pretty upset..knowing it was an ACCIDENT and it is not really wanted around. Plus if the mother wanted t keep it because it was her baby, she might not be able to pay for all the things the baby needs.

Not true. Basically youre saying the child is worthless and I dont think we have the right to decide that or not.


The same could be said for any child.

I am pro-choice, I always will be, I agree with what a lot of you have said, and Nyght I see where you're coming from when you say you're pro-life, also Phlak you make some good points as well. BUT no matter what we say the choice should be given to the woman, because it is her who has to bare the child, and she should be the one who has the right to choose not us the people around her, because we are not the ones who will bare the child, we are not the ones who have to care and nurture the child, we are not the ones who have to provide for the child. We are not the ones who make the decisions that will forever affect the child's life, some say that abortion is murder I say equivelent exchange for every baby that is aborted somewhere someone who had dreamed of having a baby someone who defies all odds and was told that they could never have a baby does, destiny is a predetermined prerendered line none of us are imune to it none of us can change it, and if a child is ment to be aborted then that is where there line ends. Thank-you for reading.

Just because someone chooses to abort doesnt make it right. Why cant I go around shooting anybody I dont want around? Because thats murder. Why should a baby's life be any different?

people. this is a psp forum...
you are all talking to 11 year old kids

Tell me Nyght, how happy would you be if you lived with your mum knowing she never wanted you, knowing your dad is a criminal...if people found out at your school..how much crap would you cop? I never said the child was useless....but it may feel that way....



I completely agree with you Gantz, in the end it's the mother's choice.

Arguing is pointless...in the end it isn't our choice at all.

Nowhere in my arguement did I say not wanted, and Nyght to say that toating a gun shooting everyone you don't like is an equivilant or even well based argument is foolish, YOU did not birth those children, YOU did not nuture those children, so there for you would have no say, having a child is a big responsibility and some people are not ready to bare it, wether those people be rape victims or everyday people, imagine them bringing that child into this world only to die, only to know that you cannot support a minimal living environment for yourself or your child, imagine an unbearable suffering for that child. WHY? So they can live their entire life in misery and say gee golly thank you mommy I am so glad to be alive or to die just a few months after birth because of unfit living conditions or because the mother snaps, because she can't handle the responsibility. To bring a child into that kind of living environment I would choose abortion 10 times over, because regaurdless of whether or not it is murder in anyone's eyes I would rather have my child die then face a life of misery and sarrow. I'm not trying to change your views I just want you to see that the picture isn't black and white that one option isn't simply I hate you die, and the other is aw I love you that, but that there are areas of grey.

OKay. Now let me put all of you in a situation regarding abortion:

(in sequence to understand clearer)

1. Man and woman do you know what.
2. Woman gets pregnant. (sperm wins)
3. Woman checks up to the doc and finds out she has a grave disease that chooses between her life or the child's.
4. Man wants woman to live.
5. Woman wants child to live.
6. No choice, they have to choose one.
7. Doc suggests abortion.
8. Both man and woman are anti-abortion like all yall.

Put yourselves in their shoes. How'd you react?

I'm not trying to change anyone's opinion, so you can argue all you want. To me, all of your arguments still make no sense. It should never be another persons choice as to whether another human can live or die. Life was not meant to be that way. I understand where you all are coming from, I truly do, but I will never agree with our laws that say you cannot murder, yet you can kill a baby.

U put that so sensitivly think how a woman feels about having a baby after sum sick fcuk raped her. u have any idea how much mental depression that a woman wud have to go thru after havin being raped then actually going thru with having a baby. think about it the father of a womans baby wud b the person that raped her. so after all that she went thru if she got an abortion, u wud brand her a murderer?!?!?!?!

i honestly cant believe sum1 can have an opinion so inconsiderate!!!!!

Just for a second think about it this way.....

Life is good for all the things we love and become acquainted and attached to. Only then, when you lose all of that, is death a bad thing. The baby isn't born yet, it doesn't have much to lose.....



Is there a such thing?

But what about the ones that don't defy the odds and adoption is the only answer. Most all adoptions are unwanted children in one way or another.



I will not judge others as being murders, just as people making a series of bad choices.

I am all for fathers rights, damned be the bitch that would end the life of my offspring.

Personal note: I was conceived out of wedlock while my mom was still in high school, a good situation for abortion in some peoples eyes. My parents got married, it was a very bad marriage that ended in divorce when I was 2. Several years later I am the proud father of two boys. Think of all the lives that would have been lost had my mother made a different choice.

1. I'm not inconsiderate. You should really think before you speak, honestly. I dont have to put anything sensitively, I'm not talking to someone being raped, I was talking about it and it does suck.
2. Yes, I would brand her a murderer. Lets me think about this. Oh yeah if you kill someone that makes you a murderer.
3. I know the rapist would be the father. But that doesnt give the child any less of a right to have a life. That makes you the inconsiderate one.


Again, just because one has less to lose makes it okay? That makes absolutely no sense.


Well Sledge, I'm glad youre here. All the rest of these guys probably would have said "kill him". Okay so thats a bit drastic, but you get the point.

Lol don't worry, you don't get it.

Nyght yr saying it like when ppl refer to ppl as just statistics and not actual ppl. i know were not talkin about a specific woman in particular, but women that that kind of thing happens to have feelings and go thru alot. and wud u still consider it murder if a woman took the morning after pill??? coz ever after 3 days of conception the morula (egg) hasnt even reached the uterus.
i agree with you that it is murder to have an abortion, but only when the embryo has turned into a fetus (basically human) which typically takes 10 - 13 weeks. 90% of abortions are done BEFORE that stage. the other 10% are murders

Youre telling me that the baby isnt living before 10 weeks. I find that terribly misleading. Dont even believe what I say, look at the pictures and facts here.

http://www.pregnancy.org/pregnancy/fetalde...ment1.php#week1

Youre still taking the life of something thats living no matter how you look at it. And yes since its a developing human, its human.



And you totally have taken what I have said out of context about women and them having been raped. The issue about me saying "yeah it sucks" is just my way of phrasing it. Its terrible, I know. Trust me. Dont jump the gun when someone phrases something a way you wouldnt have please.

Lol I think we should leave it up to the women....because all of us are guys here right? And we won't know how it would feel. It is only from their point of view where the right decision can be made.

Nyght, I know where you are coming from and I agree with you too. This is just something I was wondering...what about those 12 and 13yo's that get pregnant, what does your point view plan to do with them?

My view will never change. I think thats where you guys misunderstand. If I think its murder, it doesnt matter who, where or when. Murder is murder in my eyes, cant change that.

I understand and respect your view, and I just want to know what happends when young teenagers get pregnant...13yo's? What happens then?

Then they have the child and if their family cannot take care of it there is always adoption, finding another family, etc. There is always another option.

Lol nah Nyght that's not I was talking about...I meant...wouldn't it hurt a LOT for that 13yo? Carrying it will cause back pains....and she will get bagged at school and she cant miss 9mths of school...also the worst bit....actually giving birth to it.

Most forget about father's rights. Allot of you are young and of course would see a child as a burden. Don't take it as an insult, it's just where you are at developmentally. To me they should have to inform the father of a child conceived in consensual sex and obtain his consent.

Still against abortion in general, but there are some situations that I just can't sit in judgment on though.

nobody can judge anyone about anything unless u've been through it yrself

Yer sorry lol, ofcourse you would need the father to agree unless hes run off and doesn't want anything to do with the baby.

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Really? So if a guy walks down the street and starts shooting people for no reason, people he never met. That means I cant judge and deem him a murderer? Murder is murder. Doesnt matter who commits it. So yes, I will judge that.

lol no i didnt mean it like that. i ment it like wen sum1 dies like i cant judge sum1 on how they act wen sum1 close to them dies because its never happened to me. ofcourse if sum guy commits mass killing he's a murderer thats pritty obvious

Lol I don't think we will ever come to a perfect solution, this is like the stupid chicken and the egg, who came first? AGH Lmao

I don't think that's entirely true, maybe that's why I understand both sides so well, I am 16 and have raised my neice and nephew since they were born, Their father walked out on them and doesn't even call doesn't ask how they're doing he barely pays child support. I love my neice and nephew and looking back on it now I could never have let my sister abort them (though she never even proposed it she wanted kids). I would never look at this as a burden, I agree with father's rights (yeah I know I'm contridicting my previous statement), if a woman should get pregnant and the father is dedicated to that woman then they should both have a say in what happens, however if it is a woman alone then the choice should be her's, but in the end I will always think that people should have a choice.

Not everything is as simple as to be said.. U can say u value life n abortion shld nv be carried out.. But b4 that do consider the family backgrd, their capability.. If they cannot provide a decent family, education, u will be dragging them down.. Who noes wad might happn? No education, whole family stuck..

this is what i think about abortion...if people don't want a baby they should just put it up for adoption killing something living inside of you is wrong people say it's not even considered human but it is living it haves a heart and it breaths seriously if people don't want a baby they should just put it up for adoption there are thousands of people wanting a baby but can't have one of there own so they should justbe put up for adoption so they won't have a guilty feeling for killing a fetus

the baby is still alive tho nomatter how small and if the baby was a mistake and the momther really doesnt want the kid then there are foster homes and now adays the chances of a non-mistake baby growing up in a unwanted home is just as likely. If it was u i doubt you would want doctors sucking out your brain or whatever else they do put yourself as if it was u. If someone didnt want you...if you were a mistake......youd still want the chance to prove everyone wrong show that your strong enough to make it in this world.

I will never agree with abortion, i don't care who's choice and what the liberty stuff says about it. i don't care how its done and all, the fact is that the could have been child is killed.
i just think that the whole idea of abortion is immoral.

Never agree with abortion..
Why would you want to kill an innocent child??
Unles you know that baby is going to be a bastard or terrorist when he grows up then maybe I will..